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NoPie's avatar

It just looks that Russians themselves don't want to die in the war but otherwise supported it.

I am reading vk.com and generally there was 1 post or comment against the war in Ukraine for every 10 or 20 posts pro-war.

Now the ratio is 1 post against the draft versus 1 post pro-draft.

You see the change? Russians mostly supported the war and those few people who were ready to protest against the war were simply overwhelmed and suppressed by those who supported it. Some people live in bubble where they see that everybody around them thinks similarly to them but that doesn't seem to be the whole reality in Russia.

I am not convinced about the resistance against covid restrictions in Russia. Russia had its own share of lockdowns and restrictions. It wasn't as free as Sweden. It avoided some most stupid ones like vaccine mandates. But the UK also didn't have vaccine mandates. Was it due to people actively resisting? Possibly, but I don't think you had something so active as Canadian convoy in Spring 2022. It can rather be explained that the authorities were not really very eager to introduce those measures in the first place. When they encountered even lukewarm resistance, they gave up because vaccine mandates were not effective at all.

Look, Russia had abysmal vaccination rates among elderly (the only measure that really mattered). That shows the failure of public health institutions. The UK (no mandates) and Canada (strong mandates) both had very good vaccine coverage among elderly – which shows that regardless of mandates, it is possible to ensure high vaccination uptake among risk groups. Russia doesn't have that and mandates wouldn't have helped anyway. No wonder authorities gave up so quickly even with a moderate resistence to those measures.

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Manqueman's avatar

The resistance of Russians seem to be little more than passive-aggressive behavior, making initiatives more difficult to implement to the point that the people in charge back down. Doubtful that as a rule that kind of resistance particularly scales up.

Too, I wouldn’t underestimate the harm of centuries of powerlessness and lack of agency to create a culture of submission, where there’s no strength to oppose beyond passive-aggressive behavior. Russia has had a culture of individual impotence forever. As always, breaking things -- here, a society and social norms -- is far easier than fixing them, let alone to a point that they’re good as new. Russia has had the former, has yet to experience the latter to any extent that matters.

Too, Prof. Greene’s theory at or around the time of the invasion was that it was motivated less by security concerns and more by economics issues. So query whether that theory is still operative. I believe it still is.

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